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Post by San Diego on Jun 10, 2013 14:30:55 GMT -5
This team is straight OLD. We have an average age on this team of 31! I still think we're a playoff team and Dwigt and Curry make a potent duo. The one glaring problem remaining is everything else. Still, happy my old guys didn't die. Cousins and Shabazz >>> Dwight and Curry
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Jun 10, 2013 14:41:33 GMT -5
This team is straight OLD. We have an average age on this team of 31! I still think we're a playoff team and Dwigt and Curry make a potent duo. The one glaring problem remaining is everything else. Still, happy my old guys didn't die. Cousins and Shabazz >>> Dwight and Curry Defensively maybe and due to age. But if I were competing and had to choose a top flight scorer, it'd be Curry.
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Post by Hawks on Jun 10, 2013 14:48:44 GMT -5
This team is straight OLD. We have an average age on this team of 31! I still think we're a playoff team and Dwigt and Curry make a potent duo. The one glaring problem remaining is everything else. Still, happy my old guys didn't die. Cousins and Shabazz >>> Dwight and Curry Long term, sure. Right now, Howard and Curry is a much better combo. Maybe good enough that Denver can make the playoffs with them being their only two real players.
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Post by San Diego on Jun 10, 2013 15:34:04 GMT -5
I don't see how howard and curry is a better combo than shabazz and cousins.
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Post by Hawks on Jun 10, 2013 15:53:37 GMT -5
This is, combined, what the two combos got last year: Curry/Dwight: 55.3 ppg, 19.3 rpg, 4.6 apg, 3.1 spg, 2.7 bpg Shabazz/Cousins: 44.8 ppg, 20.5 rpg, 5.4 apg, 2.7 spg, 3.7 bpg
start with that. defense is always tricky, too, as you can't go by straight grades. steph has made more all-defensive teams than shabazz. he's played more years? certainly, but shabazz has never made one.
steph has made 6 all-league teams, including 5 1st teams, while shabazz has made 1, a 2nd-team selection.
Steph is a far superior player, actually.
Curry career 23.2 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 2.7 apg, 1.8 spg, 1.5 topg Shabazz career 22.3 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.5 apg, 1.4 spg, 2.4 topg
Curry last year 33.9 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 2.4 apg, 2.1 spg, 1.4 topg Shabazz last year 27 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 2.2 apg, 1.8 spg, 2.3 topg
Dwight career 19.2 ppg, 12.3 rpg, 0.8 spg, 2.8 ppg Cousins career 15.3 ppg, 10.8 rpg, 0.8 spg, 1.9 bpg
Dwight last year 21.4 ppg, 13.5 rpg, 1 spg, 2.4 bpg Cousins last year 17.8 ppg ppg, 12.9 rpg, 0.9 spg, 3.5 ppg
Yeah, I don't know how you can see it the other way.
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Post by San Diego on Jun 10, 2013 15:57:30 GMT -5
still don't see it. Shabazz has been playing out of position at SF
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Jun 10, 2013 15:59:51 GMT -5
Also, last season...
Curry/Dwight: Playoffs Shabazz/Cousins: No Playoffs
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Post by San Diego on Jun 10, 2013 16:01:29 GMT -5
Also, last season... Curry/Dwight: Playoffs Shabazz/Cousins: No Playoffs I acquired Cousins late when my team was hitting the lottery balls and didn't put a depth chart together to maximize both players
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Post by Philadelphia on Jun 10, 2013 16:06:06 GMT -5
Also, last season... Curry/Dwight: Playoffs Shabazz/Cousins: No Playoffs Thats what Bazza gets for leaving Philly!!!
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Post by San Diego on Jun 10, 2013 16:10:02 GMT -5
Also, last season... Curry/Dwight: Playoffs Shabazz/Cousins: No Playoffs Thats what Bazza gets for leaving Philly!!!
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Post by Danny on Jun 10, 2013 18:02:23 GMT -5
Curry is better than Shabazz. He is and I think every unbiased GM will tell you that. Curry was All-Defensive team in 2018. That's the year before last. He led the league in steals per game that season. He's been the league's top scorer 5 of the last 6 seasons, including the last 4 seasons in a row.
He's been a monster in terms of not just scoring, but he's also been a top 3-5 player in terms of both 3PT, FG, and FT %. Look at last year's FG % league leaders. How many shooters do you see on that list? How many posts that score all their points from inside the paint? How many guys up there in both PPG and FG%? Steph is it. He's #1 in PPG and #2 in FG%.
Where's Shabazz? Where is he in terms of FT %? The above numbers are even more pronounced when you consider Curry only shoots 2 times more per game on average than Shabazz (24 fg attempts per game for Curry to Shabazz's 22).
You're getting it confused, just like everyone frankly when it comes to talent. Just because one player is 33 and the other is 25 doesn't mean the guy that's still growing is better. Hell, Curry didn't dip at all this year. I think he's got at least another 3 seasons (assuming he doesn't retire) of 25+ ppg. Not only is Curry better right now, but he very well could be better over the next couple of seasons.
In terms of "playing out of position" that argument doesn't hold much water as that is a major reason for his increased rebounding. So you can't say he would be better overall if he played at SG instead of SF. Also, Curry spent his first few seasons out of position too or his numbers might look very different.
Truth is, Shabazz is a very good player and I love the inter-divisional rivalry. I LOVE it. That's why the Pacific is the best division. Truth is though, Curry is the better player.
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Post by Danny on Jun 10, 2013 18:08:09 GMT -5
Also, Curry is this era's George Gervin/Peja Stojakovic. I think his production over the last half dozen years is equal to any we've seen in the league for his position. He can score as well as anyone in league history. I'll grant that many GMs might take other, more "well-rounded" SGs over him if picking from an all-time list. That's a preference depending on style and whatnot. No one will deny his ability to drop 50+ on any given night though.
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Jun 10, 2013 19:16:49 GMT -5
I can attest to the last statement as I had both of them (Peja/Gervin) at some point in their careers and even at a dying age they still shot lights out.
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Post by Jamesdeane on Jun 10, 2013 20:07:23 GMT -5
Currently, Curry/Howard is the better duo
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Post by Coach D on Jun 11, 2013 8:28:30 GMT -5
Al-Farouq and Murphy want in this discussion!
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