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Post by Detroit Pistons on Jul 25, 2013 12:11:28 GMT -5
This has been brought up by a few GMs all with varying views. The more I think about it, I'm for a total refresh on the whole system. New league, more attribute details, etc. Lets hear what the rest of you have to say.
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Post by Kansas City on Jul 25, 2013 12:58:45 GMT -5
New League, new everything
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Post by Danny on Jul 26, 2013 11:02:46 GMT -5
I say re-vamp the system, but I would love to express my concerns to those making the ultimate decisions on how we proceed. In sum:
1) Please let us keep our current PPts total. I would hate to lose 2600 PPts because the league updated
2) Please consider a system similar to ABCA, but not necessarily copy it directly
3) Please consider not limiting the total upgrades to 3
4) Please consider encouraging more participation by increasing the amount of PPts we can "earn" (more for articles, DCs, etc)
5) Please consider creating a system that allows GMs to really build individuals if they want. For me, the best parts of the game are the "Storylines" that can be created in this alternative reality. As such, what's wrong with trying to make our favorite players studs? I mean, consider what Tao can do with a guy like, oh, I don't know, maybe... ADONAL FOYLE!!!! (Nice effect huh?) Seriously. I want to create storylines by making some dudes studs that might not be anyway.
6) Please consider if you're going to have "tight" rules on PPts (And I consider the last system to be "tight") that you begin with a much more expansive, forgiving, and "open" PPts system, then tighten if necessary as we all learn how the game is played. I would like it to our old system of upgrades in the D-League. When the D-LEague started you could get a guy upgraded left and right. That was noticed and the system was tightened to prevent the "Dimitris Diamantitis effect."
7) Please consider a system that allows for "weight training" and "speed work" perhaps similar to ABCA, but perhaps this is an off season only upgrade since that's when most of this kind of work is done, not mid-season.
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Post by Danny on Jul 26, 2013 11:05:19 GMT -5
Also, I think I may have voted incorrectly. I want a new system, but I would slit my wrists if I lost 2600 PPts.
So my vote for choice #1 above should actually be for choice # 3 above.
DAMN YOU HOOKED ON PHONICS!!! I'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO READ!!!
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Jul 26, 2013 13:18:12 GMT -5
you can change your vote....
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Post by Kansas City on Jul 26, 2013 17:22:59 GMT -5
NO WAY should we carry over PP's. I consider this a new league. We're starting from scratch. We're not bringing over any of our history. We should start everything on equal footing with the creation draft so that every team theoretically starts on the level, not allow teams to be able to pump a player full of PP's in year one giving them an advantage. Use it or lose it and you lost it.
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Post by Pacers on Jul 26, 2013 23:21:06 GMT -5
Gridlock.
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Post by Chicago Bulls on Jul 28, 2013 5:25:53 GMT -5
Me personally I know that I have a nice chunk of pp's but I am willing to lose them if the league as a whole decided to go that route.
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Post by Jamesdeane on Jul 28, 2013 7:55:27 GMT -5
I would like to change my vote from option 3 to option 1. Originally I liked three, but since we are going to I think a reset and new upgrade package should be done.
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Jul 29, 2013 12:59:53 GMT -5
NO WAY should we carry over PP's. I consider this a new league. We're starting from scratch. We're not bringing over any of our history. We should start everything on equal footing with the creation draft so that every team theoretically starts on the level, not allow teams to be able to pump a player full of PP's in year one giving them an advantage. Use it or lose it and you lost it. I think this puts everything in the best light. I understand the angst of losing thousands of PP, but it should be a clean slate all around. |
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Post by Danny on Jul 29, 2013 13:50:24 GMT -5
We have a total of 10 votes (less than half the league) so is this thing over or what?
I don't want to be a baby, but if we wipe out PPts, I think we'll see a couple more good, longtime GMs leave. I would hate for that to happen given that this all broke suddenly.
The "Use it or lose it, and you lost it" doesn't sit well with me because had I known that was the case I would have used it last year when I was trying to win a title. Hell, I would have pumped them into every stupid bench dude I had to give me that bump. This is only compounded by the fact that many of us thought there would be another year, thought it was moving too fast, etc. To wipe away what I consider "work" adding to AvN is fatally tragic IMO.
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Jul 29, 2013 13:54:30 GMT -5
Fair enough. Would people be willing to compromise on maintaining half or 2/3 of their current PP in order to even things a bit while still not wiping them clean out?
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Post by Kansas City on Jul 29, 2013 17:10:36 GMT -5
We have a total of 10 votes (less than half the league) so is this thing over or what? I don't want to be a baby, but if we wipe out PPts, I think we'll see a couple more good, longtime GMs leave. I would hate for that to happen given that this all broke suddenly. The "Use it or lose it, and you lost it" doesn't sit well with me because had I known that was the case I would have used it last year when I was trying to win a title. Hell, I would have pumped them into every stupid bench dude I had to give me that bump. This is only compounded by the fact that many of us thought there would be another year, thought it was moving too fast, etc. To wipe away what I consider "work" adding to AvN is fatally tragic IMO. **I wrote this whole response and then realized I was arguing with a lawyer and quite possibly my favorite GM. No hard feelings Dan. Just voicing my opinion. Blame the decision to abruptly switch to a new league then. Very little of this change over has been well thought out and these questions should have been addressed and debated before hand. We get to carry over no other benefits from the old league to this one. I worked really hard to build a team that lost in the finals, won the finals, and unfortunately lost in the first round this year. I had to abandon that entire team. I was looking forward to the rebuild but I don't get that experience because we switched to the new program. Teams with multiple picks stockpiled had to abandon them. Some teams that were in cap hell and perpetual rebuilding go a free pass to start again. Some teams benefit more than others but I still feel like this is an entirely different league. You did "work" to add to AvN. This is no longer AvN. Will some people get pissed either way we go? Probably. Will GM's quit. Maybe. I think we should continue discussing it and it is pretty bad that we've only had 11 responses, which tells you a little about the state of the league, whatever that may be. I think the bigger problem and the bigger potential loss to GM's is the changeover itself. The end result may be great, but the transition is off to a rocky start. Does anybody have any idea about how the new PP system would work? Are we going to be able to buy out contracts and do other things of that nature? Trade exceptions? Will PP's become more valuable under the new system than they were when all you could is upgrade certain components of a players ratings because of the different perks you you can buy with them. If so, then I think that validates the resetting of PP's even more. It's increasingly frustrating that stuff like this keeps coming up. It's one thing when you chose to join a league with a set of rules already in place. We all sort of loosely agreed to the change and now we all have our opinions about rules because nobody actually knew what they were agreeing to. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the effort and work that everybody puts into this league, especially the guys running it. Its fun. And I like the current crop of GM's (except Dan(that's a joke)). And I want it all to work out, but the grass isn't always greener on the other side. There are going to be some bumps in the road. Losing PP's may or may not be one of them. PS: Is there a current save file in case this all goes to shit so that we can resurrect things where we abandoned them? You know, just in case. |
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Post by Jamesdeane on Jul 29, 2013 18:51:15 GMT -5
I have PPs, not as many as other GMs, but I do have them. I agree with Kings on this, as we are starting new and GMs that have PPs are going to start with an advantage. My suggestion is that no one drafted this year can have an upgrade made to them. This will allow GMs to still use PPs, but not until after next years draft. This will also allow other GMs who do not have PPs currently to a cumulate some from season one. Just a suggestion, sure someone will have a opinion on it.
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Post by Danny on Jul 29, 2013 19:00:25 GMT -5
Kings GM knows nothing. I mean, he only has ONE title in how many years? I mean, even a total idiot can manage ONE title... Oh, wait...  I actually like the idea put forward by the Nuggets. It makes sense too since it looks like these creation draft guys are studs. I would totally be down for keeping those PPts, but making creation draft players untouchable in terms of upgrades. Seriously, that's a really good compromise. |
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